Getting set up - sim, banking, credit card
With the 21 days of quarantine and self-health
management over it was time to get set up as a local. This is when life got
really interesting.
First, when I applied for my gold
card I did not have an address, and as such my gold card was issued without a
Taiwan address on it. I never thought this would be an issue until I went to
try to set things up.
I should provide a bit of
clarification on this. I chose to live in Banqiao New Taipei for several
reasons, first it is a full local experience, and secondly the rents are
cheaper. There are areas designed more for foreigners such as Da'an district,
Xinyi district, Tainmu district, and Beitou district to name a few. You will
find it much easier to survive in English and be self-sufficient in these type
of areas. Being in Banqiao means that most barely speak English, and landlords
are mostly not open to renting to foreigners for a variety of reasons. As
previously mentioned my lease was entered into by a Taiwanese friend of mine
and as such the name on the lease was his.
Step one was to try to update my
gold card to include my address. For whatever reason two separate requests were
created and as a result this process got stuck in limbo. I am not certain how
they verified my address as typically need to have a lease in your own name,
but it worked in my case. Can't comment for others. As the process of getting a
new card with my address on in was stuck in limbo, I tried going to the immigration
office to sort this out in person, however, I was informed this can only be
done online, and as such I wasted 1.5 hours there. I contacted the gold card
office and they were extremely helpful. Got the application piece sorted the
same day. What I had to do was actually delete both of the applications created
and start all over again. They are unable to correct these errors from the
backside.
As it was going to take a
considerable amount of time to get a new card based on the above, at the end of
the quarantine I had to get everything set up with my existing card which had
no address on it, and the fun began.
First stop on what I will call day
one was at the bank. I chose HSBC, as I opened HSBC accounts in Canada prior to
leaving to simplify viewing all of my accounts and transferring money between
them. Taiwan is one out of only three countries in the world where one must
open an account in person. It is the first time I was unable to use HSBC's
international banking centre to open an account prior to arrival.
There is one thing someone should know about banking in Taiwan. Banks are only open Monday to Friday 9 am - 3:30 pm. I have also not come across any cash exchange places. Bank of Taiwan operates currency exchange ATMs but they will only exchange USD, HKD, JPY and CNY.
I get to HSBC, where there was only
one person that spoke English, luckily and unluckily for me she had spend
numerous years in Vancouver Canada. Here come the issues:
- Visit #1 my gold card has no address on it. For them to
use an address I provide them with would take 1-2 weeks for them to
verify. After a bit of complaining they offered to use my Canadian address
based on my Canadian driver's license. It was going to take them 1-2 days
to verify this. I kept explaining to them that I had accounts in Canada
with HSBC and they can simply contact the bank there for everything, but
they said they couldn't.
- Visit #2 - the bank verified all of the information so
I was expecting to show up to just sign paperwork. Wrong. They cannot fill
the paperwork in for you, so you must fill it in yourself. Note that on
the first day they had to run checks on everything no the second visit
they somehow trust me. I show up two days later at the bank as arranged
with them using my Canadian address to open the account. I filled in the
forms at home and brought them with me. I sign the forms as I do in
Canada, and as there were multiple places to sign my signature wasn't
perfectly identical. It was just the slightest off, but this caused all
kinds of issues. At the end they wanted me to just type my name as I write
it and use it as my signature. This method works for everything so turned
out for the best. More to come on the signature issue so stay tuned.
- Visit #3 - I came to pick up my bank card and change
the pin at the branch. I brought my Canadian cash with me at the same
time. I should mention that when they opened my NTD account they also
opened a CAD and USD accounts for me as well here. I show my ID get my
card, and tell them I need to deposit my cash. They walk me over to the
counter and tell me I will need to show them my passport and ARC, even
though they literally looked at those documents before handing me my card.
I go to the counter show my passport and ARC, and hand them my cash to
which they tell me they can't accept Canadian cash. Please do not bring
your Canadian cash with you, it's pretty useless here. It was off to the
bank of Taiwan to try to exchange my Canadian cash, but the branch across
the street from HSBC did not accept Canadian cash so it was off to another
Bank of Taiwan branch.
Getting a sim card was a bit
simpler. Went to Chunghwa mobile with my Taiwanese friend. No one there spoke
English. They agreed to provide me with a sim and a plan with my gold card with
no address on it. This was the only thing that was straight forward. They did
call me to come in to the store with my new gold card that had the address on
it once I received it. I couldn't go to any other location though, so had to
make the trek back to the store I got the sim card from. A new issue came up. As
a foreigner I cannot use their online system to view my bills or make payments.
This means I need to receive my bills by mail, and pay either using online
banking or through convenience stores. Convenience stores only take payments
using cash. Taiwan is definitely a cash country.
One thing to note, that unlike in Canada where all plans include unlimited talk and texting, and the only options relate to data, in Taiwan it's the opposite. All plans offer unlimited data, and need to simply pick the speed. Talking and texting are addons. That said, almost everything in Taiwan is done over Whatsapp and Line.
I should mention the process for
picking up my new gold card. Once it was ready I got an email which had me log
onto the online system to print off a payment voucher, even though I did not
submit a payment. I chose to pick it up at the immigration office in Zhongzheng
district. This was really easy as well. Once you go through the front doors,
get your temperature checked and use hand sanitizer, just need to go to the
desks on the left. I gave them my passport, the proof of payment and existing
gold card, and they gave me the new gold card. In and out in under 5 minutes.
Now to getting a credit card. Once I
got my new gold card it was back to the bank for visit #4 for them to update my
account to the new card and address. I was sure this would be a quick 5 minute
exercise but it wasn't. Back through a verification process, and signing
documents. Banking is a lot of fun here. While I was there I thought I should
apply for the HSBC MasterCard, after all I have accounts with them in Canada
and now Taiwan and already had an HSBC MasterCard from Canada. But no, I would
have to provide them with statements showing income, balances etc. I decided
that I cannot be bothered to do this, and so I decided to try my luck getting
the Cathay Costco card as I am a Costco member and others said it was straight
forward. Here’s how this went:
- Visit #1 to Costco - was when I had my gold card
without an address on it and didn't have my HSBC account yet so they
wouldn't open it for me. I was told I needed to have a minimum of $20,000
NTD in my Taiwan accounts
- Visit #2 to Costco - I had my new card with address on
it, had $17,000 in my NTD account, and money in my Taiwan CDN dollar
account. They don't consider funds held in a foreign denominated account
even if it's in Taiwan as counting towards the minimum required. It was
after banking hours so I couldn't transfer money from the CDN dollar
account to the NTD account.
- I decided to visit a Cathay bank by my home. There was
a person there that spoke broken English and did not quite understand what
I was trying to do. He got a woman that speaks English to deal with me but
I had to wait nearly 30 minutes before she came over, and he gave her the
wrong information. After the wait I decided not to spend any additional
time there so they gave me the application and I left.
- Visit #3 to Costco - Had my new gold card, over $20,000
NTD in the account and my Costco card. Took 5 minutes and I was done. The told me I would receive my card in the mail within two weeks. This
is where I get back to the signature. They insisted I sign my name as I
type it as well. So just need to write your name as your signature
everywhere. Works really well.
- Two weeks went by with no phone call, no email and no card. So I thought I should follow up with them, and the results were as follows:
- phone call #1 - they tell me I was rejected. They inform me that the reason I was rejected is that the bank slip with the balance does not show my name and full account number on it. They tell me that I need to send them something from the bank that has my full account number on it unblocked and my name. With HSBC no such thing exists. So I email them a printout from my online banking which has the full account number on it, and my bank statement which has my name on it and my blocked account number. They tell me they will let me know when they receive it.
- phone call #2 - they call me two days later to let me know they received my email and have forwarded them on to their superiors (these are the magical people of banking in Taiwan because you cannot reach them directly). They tell me it will take their superiors 3-5 days to review the documents
- phone call #3 - I get a call 3 days after the second call, where they asked me my address, phone number, date of birth, who I bank with, and what I do for work in Taiwan. These were not identity verification questions even though they appear as such. Apparently, they wanted to confirm the information I had placed on the application was correct. I told them that I have my own business in Canada and have no Taiwanese income. This was all the same information I had provided on the application. Again I am told they will pass the answers to their superiors and it will take 3-5 days to review
- phone call #4 - 2 days after call #3, they called to tell me I have been rejected again. I asked why, they told me it is because I don't have any Taiwanese income and/or a credit score. I did the sensible thing and asked how this was news to them seeing as they knew this from the original application, and no answer.
The places I used are as follows:
HSBC - No. 160δΉ5, Section 1, Zhongshan Road, Banqiao District, New Taipei City, 220
Bank of Taiwan across the street - lower level of New Taipei City Government building - there's an exchange ATM and a post office here as well
Thanks for detailing out your experiences...These are really helpful to others in a similar process.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing the details. I was considering getting a Costco credit card as a foreigner and now I am dissuaded
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